Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

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Re: Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:59 pm

Piemastaj wrote:In this context, it is. Unless your using Fire Core which looking at your parses it would appear you were (Your second set of parses). Need to specify exactly what your using or it invalidates data your trying to create. The length is a bit extreme to prove the point also. The max hits a lone allow you to see that sleeves will add onto Fire Core.

But your very long parses, show arms are adding something to Fire Core which is all that was necessary. The thing in question was if arms are pointless or not when having Fire Core running.
Parses were run Using First spire & Fire core only, The weave is spear/spear/bolt/bolt , 100 & 95 respectively, in that order
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Re: Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:04 am

The easiest way to tell is to copy to test or beta. Reset your aa's, this way you don't crit--buy hastened casting stuff to speed up your parsing*. Hit fire core with your sleeves on. Cast as many spears as possible until you see it hit over what fire core will do at max. If you can hit beyond that, then they stack. I'd say if you cast a thousand or so times without doing it, then they don't add together.

Mod's like that aren't supposed to add together but I'm not a dev and can't poke the code to say so for sure. So if you all see it doing that, then good for us :D

*Edit--To get quick damage requires crit aa's which will mess up the test. Instead, put some real life aa points into Extended Patience.
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Re: Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:16 pm

Just ran the simple test. Pertinent info is in the box with a conclusion below that.

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/4 Test Eighty Five in 1s, 19k @19085dps --- Voratest 19k @19085dps

/tell Voratest Voratest -vs- Test Eighty Five: -- DMG: 19085 -- DPS: 19085 -- Scaled: 19085 -- DirDmg: 19085 -- Non-crit rate: 100% -- Attempts: 1 -- Hits: 1 -- Accuracy: 100% -- Avg Hit: 19085 -- Max hit: 19085 -- DMG to PC: 0

My worn SD is 410.

No crit or spell mod aa's.

Only buff affecting damage was Fire Core (max rank). For completeness, the buffs I had are: Imperative Focusing Rk. 2, Empowered Focus of Arcanum, Spirit of Resolve Rk. 2, Blessing of Fervor Rk. 3, Certitude Rk. 3, Spiritual Enrichment Rk. 3, Mammoth's Force Rk. 2, Spiritual Valiance Rk. 2, Preeminent Foresight Rk. 2, and perfected levitation.

[Sun Jun 30 14:39:51 2013] You say, 'lower resist'
[Sun Jun 30 14:39:56 2013] You say, 'Hail, Test Eighty Five'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:02 2013] You say, 'freeze buff'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:02 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Buff timers frozen.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:09 2013] You say, 'decrease resists'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:10 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Decreasing all resists.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:11 2013] You say, 'decrease resists'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:11 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Decreasing all resists.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:12 2013] You say, 'decrease resists'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:12 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Decreasing all resists.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:12 2013] You say, 'decrease resists'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:13 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Decreasing all resists.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:13 2013] You say, 'decrease resists'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:13 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Decreasing all resists.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:14 2013] You say, 'decrease resists'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:14 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Decreasing all resists.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:14 2013] You say, 'decrease resists'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:15 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Decreasing all resists.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:15 2013] You say, 'decrease resists'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:15 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Decreasing all resists.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:15 2013] You say, 'decrease resists'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:16 2013] Test Eighty Five says 'Decreasing all resists.'
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:21 2013] Beginning to memorize Malosenia Rk. II...
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:22 2013] You have finished memorizing Malosenia Rk. II.
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:25 2013] Your Grandiose Pants of the Conjuror shimmers briefly.
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:25 2013] You begin casting Malosenia Rk. II.
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:27 2013] Your Featherweight Drape of Harmony flickers with a pale light.
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:27 2013] Your target resisted the Malosenia Rk. II spell.
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:30 2013] You begin casting Empowered Focus of Arcanum.
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:30 2013] Your mind fills with a focus on the arcane.
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:30 2013] You have become better at Specialize Abjure! (94)
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:57 2013] You begin casting Fire Core.
[Sun Jun 30 14:40:57 2013] You become an embodiment of elemental fire.
[Sun Jun 30 14:42:54 2013] You begin casting Intensity of the Resolute.
[Sun Jun 30 14:42:54 2013] Your mind sharpens and strength flows into your body.
[Sun Jun 30 14:43:00 2013] Your intensity fades.
[Sun Jun 30 14:43:02 2013] You begin casting Broiling Sands Rk. II.
[Sun Jun 30 14:43:03 2013] Your Featherweight Drape of Harmony flickers with a pale light.
[Sun Jun 30 14:43:03 2013] Your Grandiose Sleeves of the Conjuror feels alive with power.
[Sun Jun 30 14:43:03 2013] Voratest hit Test Eighty Five for 19085 points of non-melee damage.
[Sun Jun 30 14:43:03 2013] Test Eighty Five is stung by broiling sands.
[Sun Jun 30 14:43:03 2013] You are bathed in an alleviating burst.
Ok, that's a lot of info.

Basically, the max base of Broiling Sands rank 2 is 7964.
The max FC modifies is by 125% which would make the max base 17919.
SD is [(cast+recast)/7]*(worn SD) = [(0.75+4.5)/7]*410 = 307.5
It should round down somewhere and make that value 307 or less but 307 is close enough.

If SD is added last (which it is supposed to be), then the max FC+BS can do is 18226.
If SD is added before FC, then the max FC+BS can do is 18609.
I managed 19085.

To sum, sleeves and fire core will stack since I obviously broke the threshold that Fire Core can do.
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Re: Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:38 pm

PJ, I realize my above post basically says what you did earlier in the thread. I was merely making an easier to read test case for those not extremely familiar with interpreting parse data; also, I wanted a cleaner parse so that there isn't debate about crits and other mods.

So, I made a clean, easy to read data set.
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Re: Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:10 am

I haven't updated my spreadsheet yet for the 96 - 100 spells, but it goes as PJ said.

Non Critical to make it easier, using RoF T1 raid sleeves

Non Fire Core
MinDmg = DmgUnfocused * (1+lower limit worn focus) = DmgUnfocused * 1.35
MaxDmg = DmgUnfocused * (1+upper limit worn focus) = DmgUnfocused * 2

Under Fire core
MinDmg = DmgUnfocused * (1+lower limit worn focus+lower limit FC) = DmgUnfocused * 2.1
MaxDmg = DmgUnfocused * (1+upper limit worn focus+upper limit FC) = DmgUnfocused * 3.25

This has held true ever since I started using it at level 65. I don't think any of the base calculations have changed.
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Re: Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:50 am

& What's the max amount a Crit can amplify damage by?

Looking at my own parses, my max hits are like 210 ...

30,000 base x 3.25 from both foccii, = 97,000 , plus type 3 aug & spell dmg amounts


So I guess it's 200%?

Do we reach that cap with just our passive aa's and a glyph of cataclysm? bc I've never seen myself go past 210'ish... My own parses are self buffs only with glyph, and Im hitting 210.

What is our Passive increase to crit damage, from just aa, anyway? %
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Re: Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:04 am

Like I said Crit DMG does not have a cap (or if it does we have not yet hit it). The highest it goes now is 250% from Illusions of Grandeur.
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Re: Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:31 am

So going off what PJ just posted, your max crit under Fire Core would be:

MaxDmgNonCrit + DmgUnfocused*(1+2.5)

Using your 30K base in your example:

30000*3.25 + 30000*(3.5) = 202500

Of course that's off a little because you have to put in SD and type 3's in there somewhere.
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Re: Vapor core + First spire + Glyph of Courage?

Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:31 pm

I had missed this in Wire's guide, answers my question.

Unlike critical chance modifiers, damage modifiers do not stack for direct damage spells. Regardless of the slot each effect is in, only the largest will have any effect. Therefore, one should aim to stagger effects featuring critical damage modifiers.
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