Elidroth wrote:Well.. this has been an interesting thread to read. Here's some reality for you. Nearly everyone on the dev team plays EQ in some capacity. Literally every class expects us to play THEIR class at a raiding level. This just isn't possible.
In short.. I have no less than 15 PMs from mages over the past few weeks. Some wants more pet-based DPS, while others want spell-based DPS. There is no other class as split on how they want to do something than Mages. The only thing you do agree upon really is that you want more DPS, which is basically the same sentiment from literally EVERY DPS CLASS.
Savil, I have NEVER lied to the players. I won't deny that sometimes things hav, but I have NEVER, EVER, told players something knowing full well that I wasn't going to do it, or that it couldn't actually be done.
One last thing, and I can't be more clear on this subject. Just because you ask for something, doesn't mean it will get done. no matter how many times you ask for it. Many of the suggestions I received last beta were simply not reasonable, or not possible for the class.
I don't expect you to play a raiding mage, never said I did. I do expect you to play the game, and I do expect you to raid now and then. You can't really do a good job if you don't. The pallie issue more than proved that.
As for the PM's, this is just the thing I was trying to AVOID. I didn't want 15 different people asking you for 15 different things cause thats a great way to get none, or have a dev go out on his own. We've had that happen before and it didn't work out so well.
You have told people you would do X, and never did X. You can tell us you wanted to and it just "slipped through the cracks", but you never explained yourself. And having something slip for 6-12 months is a bit much. When you tell a customer you will do something you do it. Or you get back to them as to why you can't do it. Its a simple matter of good CS. IMHO when you started dodging the issue .. must like you are currently doing to the same questions on EQ live.. you start pushing into dishonest.
You told us you would do RS pets and TC. Then we find out something else, then you say you can't, then tuli tells us yet another reason was given for why. Which is true elidroth? Sure sounds like a lie near the end. Let me be clear, I think you wanted to do it in the beginning, but near the end I think you started being less than honest about it when people started to really press you.
I asked you on EQ live, I'll ask you here as well, by all means please explain the RS / TC issue, explain how the mod rod issue you said you would fix before live took you 5-6 months to fix? And even then you only fixed it because I was throwing it into your face so much in your defensive thread. There are more, but I'd like to hear about just those 2 issues. If there is a valid reason why, I'll be the very first one to tell you I'm sorry and get off your case about it. I've asked you this before and you ignored it, do you think that makes it look any better?
Your last statements I have no issue with. I understand you get flooded with ideas, and a lot of them are prob pretty stupid and or outright undoable. One of the things we were trying to do here was come up with a list of good suggestions to submit so we had a better chance of actually getting something done.
I'm just as frustrated as you here elidroth, and I'm actually more than willing to work with you to solve the issues facing our class. I agree I've said some harsh things on EQ live and here about you, some I fully support due to your actions, some might have been on the mean side *grin*. But if your willing to work with us or some of the other mages (I'll totally understand not wanting to work with somebody that called you a moron) you will find were willing to work with you.
Savil
