New Spells for Next Expansion:

[Savil]

Wow, just wow... Did one of you do this as a joke? Seriously?

TC will never change, devs consider it way OP'ed as it is. It was hard to get them to just not nerf it.

Rain AA, wow are you joking? Why in the world would anybody want a rain AA??

The DS lines are good, just need to do more DMG / hit. The big issue is they are FAR FAR underpowered.

Mixing the BO / IF line comes up a lot, there are reasons to not do it as well... devs have given a LOT of pushback about grouping those 2 spells, and I'm not sure WHY IN THE WORLD anybody would want to add rune into that mix...

If you don't know how / when to use stance by level 95 I'm so so sorry for you.... The devs consider the aegis spell line way OP as it is, the ONLY reason we have an aegis type AA is due to this fact. They wanted more control over the ability. I seriously don't every see them making the aegis line much more powerful than it is now without being 12+ AA's a shot for little gain.

I agree thaumatize line needs to be more powerful than its current level.

"pet affected by buffs casted in mage, not need to be done by group" What??

Mages have always had mana regen issues, the gather mana line could be a bit more powerful. You have to be careful about making to too close to wizards or they will go nuts.... again.

A no drop mod rod has been asked for over and over for years, when elidroth tried to add it during the last beta he completely and totally smurf it up (surprise!!). He told mages he would get it fixed during live and never got it working. It will still be broken next beta as well given his past track record. There was a bard AA that stayed broke for almost 2 years that he kept saying he would get fixed "soon". IE don't hold your breath.

Mages have always had substandard magic based nukes (this was part of the core idea for the class when the game was first created). Many mages including myself feel its a good trade off. You can't just add good magic nukes, you would also need to have good magic based version of FC to make it useful. That woud have the effect of increasing our long term burns as well (ie burn with Fire, then reset and burn with Magic). This is something the devs have said in the past they didn't want to do. Magic based nukes without a magic based FC wouldn't be near as useful. Why bother asking them to work on new spells that most mages will not end up using due to smurf returns?

"update of senete AA piz..." Again, What?

exigent minion wasn't a bad idea. It was put into the game UNDERPOWERED, thats the real issue. The idea was solid IMHO. Being able to get a *FREE* DoT on the mob thats able to be clicked between weaves is nice. Not sure WHY ANYBODY WOULD CALL THIS STUPID. My guess is you consider ice shards stupid as well?

Pet healing is underpowered and has been for a few exps now. Totally agree with you here.

Drape.. for the love of god just create a freaking hotkey and get it over. You can already do most of that if you just create a hotkey. Drape *shouldn't* be a 100% get out of jail free card. Where not a CC class.

Pets currently have crap DPS because the devs were playing with things that were already working and broke it, instead of fixing the 1203235235235 things in game that actually needed to be fixed. I agree mage DPS needs to be uped, but pet dps wasn't bad before they screwed the pets up with their "fix".

For the love of god why do smurf mages keep asking for the class to be turned into an enchanter??? We don't need a smurf charm and the issues that would go alone with it, and while I'm on this topic, we don't need updated slow / mez either!!! If you want enchanter abilities, play or box a damned enchanter.

I really hope PJ or some other mage just trolled me there.... please tell me PJ was trolling me and nobody really thinks this...

Savil

[Agastya]

oh well, i just wrote down there what i would like to get.... and i think i did in a polite mode, sad u didnt...
anyways, i will asnwer

TC, i know and i know its an old request, but still i would like a improve there.

Rain has been a crap since long time ago, why not a improvement? mostly aas we have are crappy, why not make up something about it? it was fun in the past when u solo and have several mobs around u... maybe u cant handle more than 1 mob but some people is able and rain is fun. obviously i dont mean for raids.... i supposed u would understand me... if it doesnt get an improvement, which is the use of using them at all....?

DS´s are crap, thats a fact. and the 10 mins recast, well... no coments.

About Aegis. really man, do u raid high end content? do u solo nameds in voa? i doubt watching ur unpolite answers. i have aegis permanetly on on my pet. reasons? well tons! watch all those raids with a heavy AE, ie, cob. maybe u are group player, but in my case i solo most of the times. having aegis makes things easier, believe, try it! i hope u are not one of those which use runes which makes slower our pet, coz thats is noobish... if u overagro u are dead, pet is slow as hell. i prefer to block 4 hits x 15k than those runes.... So ur answer has no sense.... but if u want a resume, this is, i want aegis coz i use it constantly! maybe thats why barely i loose a pet on raid and i am top dps on raids... i know is already good, but why dont ask for better? oh and burnout + ic to make things faster, easy.

buffs on pet. i will try to explain it easy for u. when u raid u die many times, when u ask for buffs, normally buffers cast single buffs on u so pet doesnt get buffs.... more hints? if u dont usually raid maybe its that...

senete. well on next expansion i guess we gonna get a new sinia spell, so senete aa will be obsoleted. when i solo i use aa and not spell, so i would like an update on next expansion.

exigent...u really use it in a burn? oh..so sad... wondering which is your burn line u have time to use exigent or shard and need...

drape. dont worry, i usually dont have probs with it, but i understand peps not very skilled finds it hard to manage. dont think only on u but in new players too... Anyways, if they wanted to give mages a fade, do it correctly as many other classes have, nothing big there...

Charm. not sure, maybe u are a new player. but in the old times charm sumoned was very fun tool. enchanter wannabe? man u shall be serious and dont ask me to be it.. omg, necros havent some tools against undeads??? why shouldnt we have something about sumoned? its easy. charm in old times was fun, i like to play fun, why not? again maybe u dont solo or u dont know how to solo, but believe me, it was fun. imagine being able to charm in voa for example windsong, maybe very hard for u but at the end it would be fun. anyways as i said its just dreaming requests, not a must... its like coth trough zones, its impossible to make that, but someone wrote it i think and why not? he just said what he would like to get

anyways i dont think we gonna get any new spell, just upgrades for old ones, so why not dream with something cool?

oh, and about someone asked about V.Talon. well, when soloing is very usefull to keep agro, i like it so much. long recast but very usefull. if its goal was to help on our burn i understand it needs some improvements but for solo content is nice. and about call of hitler better to clean agro u can do that with coth just if enough distance

Now, Voragath, thank you. yeah i know delete aas is impossible but i would like too. Another example Turn sumoned. in raid content i only found one mob affected for it, that air avatar in hot t3 raid, so...
About DS´s. Why so many? make up something new and not a version from a old DS. i barely use 3 DS (normal, molten, surge) and not always, depend which zone i raid/solo.

[Voragath]

Forgot to mention charm...I knew I forgot something but couldn't figure it out. Here's the deal on charm: we will never get it. The devs hate how many people have it already.

I actually asked Eli to make Turn Summoned relevant again. Doubt it would turn into a slay undead but who knows? It's a niche ability and like all niche abilities, they see limited use as content may not have much use for it every expansion. Remember the pally outcry about the lack of undead in UF? It was deafening.

Single target buffs are single target for a reason. When you or your pet dies, the devs want you to ask for those buffs again. If you ask for a buff, the buffer should automatically cast the group buff on you; otherwise, they are terrible at their job.

Everyone uses the exigent's in their burn. They are excellent free damage and are cast during global refresh; specifically designed for the burn. I agree with Savil--implementation was terrible. They also suck worse right now because of the freeze bug affecting pets. Hopefully, next expansion will see better implementation.

Thaumatize was a terribly implemented spell too. It was made by Raramor and is the worst smurf of a spell I've ever seen. I've discussed it, and our mana woes, with Aristo and hopefully we won't need to rely on it next expansion. If Raramor would have listened to us to begin with, he would have given us harvest instead of this Frankenstein creation.

[Savil]

Heheh, I've raided "some" *evil grin*. I was also one of the highest DPS mages in EQ for a pretty long time behind Wire...

When the player base continues to ask for things the devs have said no on time and time again it tends to piss them off and they ignore us.... (the devs have said as much to us in chats in the past). This is the reason I wanted a thread that listed all the things the devs have said "not no, but hell smurf no, never ever going to happen" so we can stop wasting time asking for smurf that will never happen. I'm honestly not sure how some mages have continued to miss this basic idea but it keeps coming back like a bad penny, or kozvar!

I agree .. the 10 min recast time was stupid when it was first put in and continues to be stupid now. Its something that should have been fixed *years* ago, but the devs continue to ignore it.

Ya, I know what aegis does, there are tricks you can use with the AA / spell and with stance... There are times when you should be using stance over aegis... Its all about the mobs DPS and how many mobs your pet is tanking as too if stance or aegis is best. Removing stance would be *stupid*. I know several times I have loaded a pet with both aegis and stance (yes, I waited the time to cast both and then waited more) to hit a really hard group of mobs... worked out really well. My point is you should *never* remove options... just because you don't see a way to use them doesn't mean everybody else wont as well.

If your dying a lot in raids your doing it wrong .. or your guild sucks. Take your pick. If your losing pets left and right on raids again your doing something wrong. I know healing for mages has always sucked but its not *that damned bad*, unless something major has changed in this exp. PJ / Vora ? Are pets really dropping left and right now?

If your not using clickies in your burns between spells you ... umm, doing it wrong. There is *zero* reason to not click an item during the 1.5 spell rephase time for extra DPS ... WTF else are you going to be doing during that time?

Rains are TOYS now, no mage uses rains for anything serious unless its that 1 in 1000000 raids that your actually killing mobs via AE. I'll stand by my original statement.. putting a rain on an AA is smurf stupid.

As for drape... the skilled mages don't find themselves *needing* it that often... I might have used DoS once / day solo'ing and molo'ing in end game zones. DoS was more a *toy* IMHO used for pulling tricks. Every great now and then I would resort to using it if I was OOM and lost my pet.

I didn't support charm during PoP .. and I don't support it now. Whats more most of the best mages out there agree with me. Charm was kinda gimp and lame as well. Again, were not enchanters, there is far to much class bluring NOW .. why continue to blur that line? Have you stopped to think for even a MOMENT how completelly smurf OP'ed charming would be for mages? How POWERFUL it would be to bag a fully buffed pet and charm to break a group, fight them down low (just like enchanters do) break charm and pop your pet to kill them all? OMFG that would be OP'ed, but you didn't stop to think about that part did you?

I can see it now, mages working down pops of 4-5 mobs low, pop DoS's to break charm and agro all at once, pop there buffed pet with massive stacked DS's and kill them all... and DoS recycles fast enough to do it left and right.... no, no other class would be upset at all by that would they... give me a damned break. I'm all for fixing our classes issues, but the last thing I want is an ability that pisses off the entire damned game at mages like the pallie AA smurf did for pallies.

Question: do you always use earth pets on your raids??

TBH I still think this is PJ trolling me...

Savil

[Voragath]

If your dying a lot in raids your doing it wrong .. or your guild sucks. Take your pick. If your losing pets left and right on raids again your doing something wrong. I know healing for mages has always sucked but its not *that damned bad*, unless something major has changed in this exp. PJ / Vora ? Are pets really dropping left and right now?


Savil

We just entered T4 and I have not seen pets dying left and right unless you aren't paying attention. I roll with PR at raids for my pet and use LoH for cures so they stay up easy.

Edited to fix typo in the Tier my guild is in.

[Agastya]

oh well i will try it again...

i will start for end. earth pet? i know u want to be sarcastic but come on...we are not kids...dont u? anyways i use all the time water pet ofc, even when i solo. actually i have tanked with water in some voa raids, just to check! about guild. maybe u dont play anymore EQ and that would explain ur ignorancy about my guild but we were 3rd guild beating VOA (we finish janunary, now we are in farm mode), just behind Machi Sin (we were 2nd until sep5, they won us very close) and ROI.
about earth pet, did u never use it when discovering a new raid? well, i dont want to give spoilers so i will keep the hint... anyways, when u are studing a new expansion u die like hell!!! u should now if u were max dps blablabla u die all the time while u are making starts and so, when u raid on betas, etc.

about stances. since i guess u not playing anymore or u dont raid high content no sense to argue with u about stance... i could accept it if u fight against many mobs with low dmg hits...but that slow component its a fail.

about clikies. do u really have 1,5 secs between a burn line? then u are doing something wrong and that would explain many things... just to make a guess. u use rs, 2 bolts and clash, do u really have 1,5 secs between last cast and first one? BIG LOL. anyways i didnt say i never use exigent or shar, i just said i dont need them coz time and mana, thxs to my mana pool i rarely get OOM, maybe just in windsong coz AE or BD for long fight.

about rains. man, do u really read full paragrah or just the starting? where did i say i use rains in raids....? that is noobish.... i said, if im fighting 3+ mobs that was a fun tool and mana/dmg ratio wasnt bad.

Drape. do u really only use drape one by day in high end zones? i doubt it. i would like to see how u solo in windsong or sepulcher witout having to use drape a couple of times atleast, so i guess u never solo on thse kind of zones. quote: "I would resort to using it if I was OOM and lost my pet" i hope u mena here an update...coz u know without pet u cant....

hahaha im still laughting for ur final question hehe i like how "uber" players try to upset u.... i never liked those who thinks the are the "best"...

Voragath. ty. about buffs. i mean, imagine sep4 or temple, when every guy must pay attention coz adds, tons of emotes, aes with fizzle, mana drain,...but mainly emotes, sometimes i understand peps use single to be faster and save mana coz this.
we all agree about thaumatize, crappy, but i must recognize i still use it hehe :p about exgient what i said. i prefer to cast one additional nuke than waste time with clikie, if ur pool let u ofc. thxs god atm im able to do it. and not everyone use it, i never do and i have a great dps rate.

i still think we must insist even with old demands. they are old, ok, they already said no, ok, but come one, we dont care, we want them, so we bother u!

Charm. BoT times were fun with charm until they nefed it we OP coz it? and what about druids in BD? man, do u really still playing or know how things working now? anyways as i said 2 times and now 3rd, i just said a wish, if u dont want people saying what they want just say it clearly. Conformists get adapted to the world, unconformist adapt world to them, evolution is thank to unconformist, so why dont insist?

[Agastya]

i must be blind, cant see edit click! that last paragrah was for savil not for u Vora

[dorfillya]

What?

[Savil]

I asked about earth pet because I went to your guild website to see if you actually existed or if you were PJ just trolling me.. and found 2 screenshots of you in raids... in both you have an earth pet (with fire swords) out, ie the question... The screenshots were not of you in 'discovery' mode btw...

Given the current state of mana regen your statement that you almost never go oom is pretty funny. Most mages could go completely OOM on a sustained burn pretty easy, totally understand not on a burst burn tho.

"about clikies. do u really have 1,5 secs between a burn line? then u are doing something wrong and that would explain many things... just to make a guess. u use rs, 2 bolts and clash, do u really have 1,5 secs between last cast and first one?"

This pretty much says all one needs to know about you. The things you have stated in this thread are so bad its unreal. Sad thing is I no longer think you're PJ trolling me, not even he could pull this level of moron off. Anyway, I'm done with this, its pretty clear to me you have no idea wtf your talking about.

Savil

[Fleiss]

But if you have enough mana, global cooldown doesnt effect you! don't you know!