Re: Next Expansion Spells
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:56 pm
^ thanks for the update, at least we have a definitive answer now. Just wish SoE had been a bit more clear on how the NDA would apply to tier 3 sooner. :p
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Piemastaj wrote:While there is no NDA for the Beta, we do ask that you still limit discussion of Beta to the Beta forums. Our developers are going to be very active in reading feedback in those forums specifically; if you post feedback elsewhere, it will be missed. Similarly, discussing Beta contents with people who aren’t in Beta isn’t very productive. If you want to discuss Beta, it’s much better to get involved in the Beta yourself. Once our signups are open we will be very quick in handing out invites, so don’t worry!
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You answered your own question. They will discuss something and never discuss it with the devs, just their friend(s). That's the problem. Communication is far more important to a dev than your friend(s).Fleiss wrote:Piemastaj wrote:While there is no NDA for the Beta, we do ask that you still limit discussion of Beta to the Beta forums. Our developers are going to be very active in reading feedback in those forums specifically; if you post feedback elsewhere, it will be missed. Similarly, discussing Beta contents with people who aren’t in Beta isn’t very productive. If you want to discuss Beta, it’s much better to get involved in the Beta yourself. Once our signups are open we will be very quick in handing out invites, so don’t worry!
Apparently We can post about anything we want.
Yeah I am not really sure why discussing with someone about somethign outside of Beta wouldn't be productive. If they know the mechanics but aren't in beta they will still understand how it works even though they can't see it. Also they may ask a question that invokes good testing of it to see what conflicts there could be. OBvisously if that data never gets back to the Dev, it is useless but it could make beta testers look in more areas and improve the data they give back to the devs.
Voragath wrote:You answered your own question. They will discuss something and never discuss it with the devs, just their friend(s). That's the problem. Communication is far more important to a dev than your friend(s).Fleiss wrote:Piemastaj wrote:While there is no NDA for the Beta, we do ask that you still limit discussion of Beta to the Beta forums. Our developers are going to be very active in reading feedback in those forums specifically; if you post feedback elsewhere, it will be missed. Similarly, discussing Beta contents with people who aren’t in Beta isn’t very productive. If you want to discuss Beta, it’s much better to get involved in the Beta yourself. Once our signups are open we will be very quick in handing out invites, so don’t worry!
Apparently We can post about anything we want.
Yeah I am not really sure why discussing with someone about somethign outside of Beta wouldn't be productive. If they know the mechanics but aren't in beta they will still understand how it works even though they can't see it. Also they may ask a question that invokes good testing of it to see what conflicts there could be. OBvisously if that data never gets back to the Dev, it is useless but it could make beta testers look in more areas and improve the data they give back to the devs.
Fleiss wrote:I meant it the way RVD said it. The data is useless if it never gets back to the devs BUT I do not think you have to be in beta to contribute. You can't parse but you can just as easily look up conflicts or ask does new ability X conflist with old ability Y? And someone in beta may not have thought of that and test it. Moot point with how they running this Beta, you can talk all you want to about it to someone not in beta. Just get relevant data back to devs.
Like I said in every post if it doesn't get back to the Devs it is pointless.Voragath wrote:Fleiss wrote:I meant it the way RVD said it. The data is useless if it never gets back to the devs BUT I do not think you have to be in beta to contribute. You can't parse but you can just as easily look up conflicts or ask does new ability X conflist with old ability Y? And someone in beta may not have thought of that and test it. Moot point with how they running this Beta, you can talk all you want to about it to someone not in beta. Just get relevant data back to devs.
That's the thing though, this conversation doesn't it make it to the devs. Sometimes, the conversation body itself is just as important as the end result. The point is, conversation has to happen with the devs as well. They are aware of the conversations that happen, even CRT's do it amongst each other sometimes, and a lot gets lost and the devs don't hear about it.
There will be times where incidental conversation happens, that is not what Piestro was talking about though.