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Group Dps??

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:20 pm
by Kendrick_Prexus
Went to Korafax last night with a pretty good group.
Rogue, SK, Clr, Mage, Mage, Enc.

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Raid geared Mage in the #3 guild on the server. No current magelo when I checked but EQ players had him at 47th on server for mana if that is anyway accurate.
Im a group geared mage wearing all T4 armor. http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1755344" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Im listed at #91 on the server.

Fully buffed I was setting at 25k hps and 23k mana. Pretty decent for group gear. I have three weak slots I need to upgrade still with T5 drops, my cloak , ear and charm.

We did the one camp up stairs where you can pull from 3-4 different hallways. I think this is the only camp in the whole zone anyone does tbh. We camped here for 3 hours killing trash and nameds. Most mobs were dying in 25-30 seconds.

The rogue obsolutely ruled on dps, he was #1 on every mob hands down.
The raid mage was double my dps almost every mob. I was parsing at 1800 to 2000 dps and he was destroying me. Each inc mob I would send in RS, and then chain fickle and bolt. (Rk II spells). The other mage was doing the same though he did have Rk III spells I noticed.

On a funny note the SK's pet almost out dps'd him on a few mobs when he was using his agro set!!!!
Do Rk III spells and end game focus make such a difference that I will only be half the dps of a raid mage? What could I do different? Twincast was saved for named mobs. My pet was fully buffed. I have maxed all dps aa's for me and pet.

Re: Group Dps??

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:02 pm
by Falino-Luclin
#47 on the server rankings seems low for the #3 guilds on a server, so I'm guessing he was a newish person in that guild or a returning player and his gear probably isn't amazing.

If I can just make a few observations/comments though:

1) I noticed you do not have any AAs in Quick Damage on your magelo. In situations such as grouping where you can't really go OOM normally, your DPS is more related to how fast you can cast your nukes than it would be in a environment where mana consumption is an issue. Casting your nukes 10% faster will have a very noticable impact on your DPS here.

2) I don't know what his AAs looked like, and while you have most of your DPS AAs, you are missing some. He very well could have been maxed.

3) Do you have important slot 3 augs? The Bolt and Fickle slot 3 augs are both available in Kithicor at ally, and increase the base damage of each spell by a noticable amount. If he had these, him using rank 3s with slot 3s and you using rank 2s without slot 3s, plus combined with him possible having a better fire focus, will make a substantial difference.

4) Though he probably doesn't have great gear, he most likely has a better pet focus that you (at least EM4, and probably better). This will increase his pet DPS by a good amount.

5) Again, even though his gear probably isn't great, he may have significantly better focus effects in areas that will be important in situations such as this (80% or more fire focus to your 50%, and higher spell haste).

6) Was your pet fully buffed with all important buffs and did he have summoned pet gear?

Re: Group Dps??

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:41 pm
by Kendrick_Prexus
I'm at EM2 for pet focus (the one bought in void e).

I do have quick damage done I believe but I will double check to make sure. My pet was fully buffed and kitted out.
I haven't worked on adding any slot 3 augs yet do to not having any luck on obtaining gear with available slot 3's. As soon as I get some they will be added.

I also noticed the rogue has a lifeshreik main-hand. Isn't that the end game dagger for rogues? No wonder he was wasting us. Looks like a T5 group geared rogue with a bad ass dagger.

I was floored to see this much difference.

Re: Group Dps??

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:50 pm
by pandax
I was playing my wizard at level 75 with a rogue and a second wizard in the group on the progression server.

The rogue and I are pretty close to maxed out for our levels.

Although I was limitted by agro, the rogue was able to consistantly do aproximately the same amount of damage as me!

And I was chaining instant nukes, going max DPS because we were limitted by our healer's mana.

I guess those poisons really are that powerful, heh.

Re: Group Dps??

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:53 pm
by Zacatac
Kendrick_Prexus wrote: I have maxed all dps aa's for me and pet.
Not according to your Magelo. Not even close really.

Elemental Alacrity at 5/17 isn't good at all. That's one of your most valuable ones. Remember, pet AAs also count towards your RS and swarm pets for dps increase.

Extended Swarm AA helps your RS pet stay up longer, so well worth the investment.

Extended Burnout is great for longer fights.

You don't have Fire Core or First Spire for nuke increase.

Host of elements, 0/12. Servant of Ro 5/12.

Well, you get the idea.

And as mentioned above, go buy Quick Damage AA immediately.

Pet Focus. Nuke Focus. Rank 2 or rank 3 spells. Using the type 3 augs to increase nuke power. Lots of AAs. Using the clicky summon orbs between casts. Using "the weave". Having clicky items. It all adds up.

Look through my Magelo for a bit and you'll see.

And yes, that rogue has some very nice weapons, far above your level of gear to be sure. Hard to compete with that.

Re: Group Dps??

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:30 pm
by Kendrick_Prexus
Zacatac wrote:
Elemental Alacrity at 5/17 isn't good at all. That's one of your most valuable ones. Remember, pet AAs also count towards your RS and swarm pets for dps increase.

Extended Swarm AA helps your RS pet stay up longer, so well worth the investment.

Extended Burnout is great for longer fights.

You don't have Fire Core or First Spire for nuke increase.
No Im only at heart of flames atm though I do have intensity of the resolute vet aa.
How should IotR vet aa be used for maximum effect? Wait till a fickle proc and the pop it? Use it in conjuction with Heart of Flames?

I do need the extended swarm and to finish Elemental Alacrity though, thanks for pointing that out.
Host of Elements is done. I never use the flappy nuke dragon, on group stuff, it just isnt worth the time when I could be casting another nuke.

Arent Fire Core and First Spire short duration nuke buffs? I dont think they could account for the dps difference in a fast pulling group setting, though I do need to get them done for named burning it looks like.