Piemastaj wrote:So your ok with being required to have VT on first before a robe click? Your willing to risk a DPS loss in the robe alrdy (my robe post) then possibly another DPS hit if they conflict? Those robes are a waste of a click if they remain the same, mini-FBO suits us better. Robes won't be a Burst portion for us, and as they are now they are a DPS loss from SOD. I am also 95% sure the proc recourse from robes messes with shawl procs also, B/C they work the same. Also song procs are involved, simply too many procs out there that are better to justify another VOA type click.
I'm not okay with robes not stacking and who cares what I'm ok with; it's what the community is ok with. Another issue is you may have missed the stipulation of no % type increases. Which is where the only upgrade to the SoD robe can have a meaningful increase.
I sent out a multitude of possibilities and I said before maybe we get something different or maybe we get the same. Who knows.
It was more of in general 'you'. We shouldn't hurt our potential DPS out-put for a robe click that is alrdy worse then a robe from 3 expansions ago. We alrdy have multiple DPS robes, we could use a robe for mana or possible utility if they want to continue this same path IMHO.
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So adding any type of stackable proc will limit our pet melee round limit and hurt potential vt procs? Y can't they give pets more procs per round giving us more utility with epic and bps?
I might have mentioned this before but I don't think I got a response....what about a click that gave pets crippling blow mods for 2 mins. Is it possible? Increase dps, stave off proc conflicts. I recently saw an old Necros robe that gave a lifetap, I'm sure its been suggested but make it mana return?
I doubt they have amazing plans to increase our mana return. With pets vs raid mobs still broken, low burns, low mana return and the fight for us now is a BP? Sounds ridiculous to me and frustrating.
Its not a fight. Beta is fast approaching, and BP clicks need to be addressed so we can test them when Beta opens. Same situation as when I posted about AAs. As to your idea, it is unlikely they can or would be willing to invest the time to make it work.
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I vote for some sort of mana regen.
It will always be valuable, won't have to worry about stacking, and can be a static amount (X mana, or xx mana/tick for y ticks)
Imo, mana regen needs to be fixed with rod mastery or something, not some smurf BP that will just be another wasted effort on the devs. It seems to me that if it happened it would be as weak as our therm pet spell
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Our thaum spell is far from weak. This is also a 'free' method to increase something. We have quite a few other ideas for mana regen via AAs and spells. This is not going to fix any issues, it can alleviate some stress on an issue we have though.
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The robe is just a "bonus" and any attempt to make it more than that is going to fall flat and give you false hopes. Mana regen is better addressed through other channels; though mana recovery on the robe was an idea I forwarded. I've pushed Aristo hard to fix our mana woes since beta.
This is a smaller sample size I understand. However, I think the BP interferes with VT procs and quite possibly Bard songs do also.
/GU Vsariard, the Revelation in 76s, 6612k @87006dps --- Boss (Piemastaj) 1167k @15361dps. Vsariard, the Revelation on 8/27/2012 Boss (Piemastaj) - 43
--- Companion's Strike IV - 6
--- Companion's Zeal - 7
--- Hykast's Strike III - 5
--- Iceflame Strike III - 6
--- Virulent Strike - 13
--- Water Elemental Strike VIII - 6 Produced by GamParse v1.0.3
/GU The Gatekeeper in 65s, 4014k @61761dps --- Boss (Piemastaj) 882k @14005dps. The Gatekeeper on 8/27/2012 Boss (Piemastaj) - 35
--- Arcane Address Strike III - 9
--- Hykast's Strike III - 5
--- Iceflame Strike III - 6
--- Virulent Strike - 12
--- Water Elemental Strike VIII - 3 Produced by GamParse v1.0.3
/GU Herald of Oratory in 96s, 6575k @68493dps --- Boss (Piemastaj) 1541k @17922dps. Herald of Oratory on 8/29/2012 Boss (Piemastaj) - 40
--- Iceflame Strike III - 6
--- Virulent Strike - 30
--- Water Elemental Strike VIII - 4 Produced by GamParse v1.0.3
/GU Herald of Oseka in 94s, 6621k @70436dps --- Boss (Piemastaj) 1371k @14745dps. Herald of Oseka on 9/4/2012 Boss (Piemastaj) - 41
--- Iceflame Strike III - 8
--- Virulent Strike - 27
--- Water Elemental Strike VIII - 6 Produced by GamParse v1.0.3
/GU Vsariard, the Revelation in 108s, 9036k @83671dps --- Boss (Piemastaj) 1920k @17777dps. Vsariard, the Revelation on 9/4/2012 Boss (Piemastaj) - 45
--- Iceflame Strike III - 5
--- Virulent Strike - 30
--- Water Elemental Strike VIII - 10 Produced by GamParse v1.0.3
/GU Herald of Oratory in 86s, 6197k @72063dps --- Boss (Piemastaj) 1384k @16285dps. Herald of Oratory on 9/5/2012 Boss (Piemastaj) - 43
--- Iceflame Strike III - 12
--- Virulent Strike - 24
--- Water Elemental Strike VIII - 7 Produced by GamParse v1.0.3
Apparently this is also w/o a Bard or BP clicks:
A guildy just hit 84,794 dps in 82 seconds in valley.
Zebarer (Aumeldarie) - 43
--- Iceflame Strike II - 12
--- Virulent Strike - 25
--- Water Elemental Strike VIII - 6
It seems with other areas procing (Bard songs, Robe click), the amount of VT strikes lessens. Your seeing 24+ procs in similar time frames w/o Bard or BP. With Bard or BP your seeing 12 or 13 strikes in similar time frames.
EDIT: The BP clicks were always AFTER VT was on the pet.
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