So how much can we nuke for now?

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Re: So how much can we nuke for now?

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Voragath wrote:Ok, seriously..wtf? What are you using Zac? Group makeup? I don't have the evo stone and the best I get, if lucky, is a chanter in my group so I only average about 5.5k. I've hit 7k but it's rare and not consistent with events. I weave the same lineup with the same strat as everyone else, have tower arms, head and bp, tier 5 group legs, max spell dmg aa's (except the new UF ones), hell, I even still use the OOW BP to get that extra oomph yet I still can't seem to break a 5.5k ballpark average with any set consistency. The only dps aa I'm missing is the host aa's. Is it just that I have the worst group makeup ever?
LoL Voragath, you sound exactly like i did last year when Wire posted on the multi-bind weave and guys were listing all kinds of parse numbers that were hard to believe.

Well I found out that Wire knows what he is talking about and my DPS has more than doubled, putting me near the top of most of our guild parses.

The one thing that helped me a lot was using GameParse and going to the tab that shows your DPS graph.
Then look at the tab which shows what spells, abilities, RS, pet damage like FBO -- compare the time your sustained DPS was highest with what you and your pets were doing at that time and try to maximize those actions as much as possible by switching up the order in which you cast spells on your Multi-Bind weave key.

It takes so me time to see what works best, but it works.

I will also customize my multi-bind key to each event -- if it is a long fight and i will go OOM, i may not want to chain RS the entire fight so I will take RS off the multi-bind and cast it only on GoM proc.

Just take the time to go over your personal parses and make the adjustments -- it will be worth it.


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Re: So how much can we nuke for now?

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Thanks, Sued, I'll take a look at it all as you suggest and reread the multibind post by wire.
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Re: So how much can we nuke for now?

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My burn is basically a combination of the Multibind and the Weave.

My Multilbind key has
1. RS pet (rk2)
2. Jolt of Many (rk3)
3. Bolt (rk2)
4. Fickle (rk2)
and also includes the AA Force of Elements (level 3)

By using this key to cast spells, I know it will cast whatever is ready and I don't need to focus on what spell gem is up.

I usually start of casting Malosenea(rk3), because I'm one of the few who has the rank 3 spell in our raid group. Then FBO. Then the RS goes out, and I hit my burn key which sets off all my +nuke AAs (First spire, fire core, acute focus of arcanum and silent casting). Then a twincast, and boom, boom, boom!

During the cooldown times, I'm clicking off AA buttons. Flappy pet, swarm pet, using DoN orbs, ice clicky, whatever.

At some point, after twincast goes down, I'll pop a RS pet, hit forceful rejuvination, and pop another RS pet.

The first parse I posted also included Intensity(7th) use.

If fight is long enough to have FBO all used up, I still have 2 robes left to click (SoD and Anguish).
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Re: So how much can we nuke for now?

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Zacatac wrote:My burn is basically a combination of the Multibind and the Weave.

My Multilbind key has
1. RS pet (rk2)
2. Jolt of Many (rk3)
3. Bolt (rk2)
4. Fickle (rk2)
and also includes the AA Force of Elements (level 3)
If fight is long enough to have FBO all used up, I still have 2 robes left to click (SoD and Anguish).
Take a look at swaping Bolt and Jolt.
With the new refresh times on RS it seems to me that there is a conflict with casting Jolt on the multi-bind key so i moved Jolt to #3 and bolt to #2 -- is what seems to work best for me ATM.

When you look at GameParse and water pet DPS with and without FBO you will see how important it is to maximize FBO on your pet.
I always try to keep a buffed with FBO water pet suspended.
The trash clearing pet can be Water, Air or Fire.
But the trash pet knows that he is going to the bench when the main event starts.
That way you get a full duration FBO from the suspended pet with the AA available to use again... THEN you can go to the robe clickies if the fight is still going on.

Also make sure you are in range so your pet gets the 15% Aura buff, that will ensure RS does not have to run too far before it starts to Melee -- it all adds up :)


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qibrme wrote:Also make sure you are in range so your pet gets the 15% Aura buff, that will ensure RS does not have to run too far before it starts to Melee -- it all adds up
That's a main reason I always parse on Rott. I can stand right there next to him. You don't have adds to deal with (Queen), or stops in the action either. I would always laugh when somebody asks for a parse after Krond fight.

Pets are definately an important part of the equation. I gave another mage a bad time after seeing her parked way back away from Rott, and using a fire pet. You'll never get into the top of a parse that way!

Here are my breakdowns for those raids-

Zacatac 640k @3136dps
Zacatac`s pet 612k @3237dps
Vabekn (Zacatac) 358k @1876dps

Zacatac 506k @2707dps
Zacatac`s pet 493k @2609dps
Vabekn (Zacatac) 457k @2253dps

The 2nd fight had better mob positioning and more backstab damage done by the pet.
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Zacatac wrote:The 2nd fight had better mob positioning and more backstab damage done by the pet.
It's just the RNG playing tricks with you. Water pets are backstabbing from everywhere now, even from the front.
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Sillaen wrote:
Zacatac wrote:The 2nd fight had better mob positioning and more backstab damage done by the pet.
It's just the RNG playing tricks with you. Water pets are backstabbing from everywhere now, even from the front.
But from the front or sides the mob can and does block, parry and dodge some of those pet attacks. From behind they don't. So positioning adds DPS.
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Had a good one tonight; felt like posting....(it's the first 3 mobs of Event 2 in tower. No Glyphs, 7th, or funky pots)

Combined: Kyv Trophy on 1/11/2010 in 145sec

Total
--- DMG: 14658256 (100%) @ 101091 dps (101091 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 1232866 @8562dps

Redius + pets
--- DMG: 1429941 (9.76%) @ 9862 dps (9862 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 288384 @2423dps

Necro + pets
--- DMG: 904783 (6.17%) @ 6327 dps (6240 sdps)

Monk
--- DMG: 818578 (5.58%) @ 5847 dps (5645 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 28880 @413dps

Mage 2 + pets
--- DMG: 750057 (5.12%) @ 5320 dps (5173 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 276173 @2708dps

Wiz
--- DMG: 748093 (5.1%) @ 5541 dps (5159 sdps)

Rogue
--- DMG: 728552 (4.97%) @ 5059 dps (5024 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 4475 @4475dps

Mage 3 + pets
--- DMG: 714536 (4.87%) @ 4997 dps (4928 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 103650 @1026dps

Monk
--- DMG: 654872 (4.47%) @ 4516 dps (4516 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 28152 @1126dps

Monk
--- DMG: 594442 (4.06%) @ 4216 dps (4100 sdps)
--- Special: 7

Ranger
--- DMG: 560464 (3.82%) @ 3947 dps (3865 sdps)

Special: 7: 7th yr vet G: Glyph K: Kiss S: Staunch X: Slain $: Saved by DI
Produced by GamParse v1.0.2

Ikaav Trophy on 1/11/2010 in 45sec

Total
--- DMG: 4828913 (100%) @ 107309 dps (107309 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 249727 @5549dps

Redius + pets
--- DMG: 538132 (11.14%) @ 11958 dps (11958 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 54440 @1210dps

Special: 7: 7th yr vet G: Glyph K: Kiss S: Staunch X: Slain $: Saved by DI
Produced by GamParse v1.0.2

Pixtt Curator of Discord on 1/11/2010 in 161sec

Total
--- DMG: 22454867 (100%) @ 139471 dps (139471 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 2011787 @12814dps

Necro
--- DMG: 1859807 (8.28%) @ 13984 dps (11552 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 28800 @14400dps

Necro
--- DMG: 1490810 (6.64%) @ 11739 dps (9260 sdps)

Redius + pets
--- DMG: 1434641 (6.39%) @ 10247 dps (8911 sdps)
--- DMG to PC: 356640 @71328dps


Special: 7: 7th yr vet G: Glyph K: Kiss S: Staunch X: Slain $: Saved by DI
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Re: So how much can we nuke for now?

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Sillaen wrote:
Zacatac wrote:The 2nd fight had better mob positioning and more backstab damage done by the pet.
It's just the RNG playing tricks with you. Water pets are backstabbing from everywhere now, even from the front.
The parse shows the 2nd pet doing nearly 50k more in BS damage, that's a bit more than RNG. The mob was bouncing around a lot in first fight.
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Daiou wrote:
Sillaen wrote:
Zacatac wrote:The 2nd fight had better mob positioning and more backstab damage done by the pet.
It's just the RNG playing tricks with you. Water pets are backstabbing from everywhere now, even from the front.
But from the front or sides the mob can and does block, parry and dodge some of those pet attacks. From behind they don't. So positioning adds DPS.
A rogue was telling me their BS damage is less from the front as well. I'm guessing this would hold true for pets as well.
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